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The fourth statue plinth in Trafalgar Square in London has stood empty since 1841, but now for the next six months will hold a statue of Sir Keith Park (who was a New Zealander, hence my interest) who was the Air Vice Marshall in charge of the 11th fighter group of the RAF charged with the defense of London during the Battle of Britain in WWII.
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The other three plinths are occupied by statues of King George IV, Henry Havelock and Sir Charles James Napier.
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Actually, the 4th plinth has been used since 1999 to host various temporary statues. When I was in London for the first time it held a giant marble torso.
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It's good that his contribution is being recognised in this way
i always feel sort of sorry for Commonwealth and ex-imperial countries when i watch war documentaries etc, because they always seem to be completely overlooked, you always hear about Britain, America and Russia fighting, but much more rarely hear about Canadians, ANZACS, Africans, Indians etc etc; i think more attention should be paid to all the countries that did send soldiers to help fight in Europe and Asia.
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I really like the whole temporary statue idea.
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Yea, me too. Trafalgar square is a great place. I loved it when I visited London.
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![]() I never knew this happened, but it's a cool idea, makes the square more interesting. |
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Canada, Australia and New Zealand were all self governing, and the armies were independent by the Second World War (I have no idea how the British Raj worked, so I'll not touch on that). It was entirely the decision of each country to enter into the war. Debates were held in the respective parliaments to discuss joining the effort. They were, mostly, a foregone conclusion, but it was not simply Britain crooking it's fingers and the dominions coming. We could have said no.
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On a side note, when I was in the Somme, I went to the Newfoundland Park and the Ulster Tower Memorial, so you're not lumped in under 'British' over there, at least. The Newfoundland Park one is quite spooky as you can walk through the actual trenches that have been preserved and can see the shell holes. Different war I know, but what the hey
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but i think there actually was a dominion that said no to joining the war effort and remained neutral throughout; God knows who it was though.
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![]() Wiki says: Britain deemed her declaration of war against Germany in August 1914 to extend to all territories of the Empire without the need for consultation, occasioning some displeasure in Canadian official circles and contributing to a brief anti-British insurrection by Afrikaner militants in South Africa later that year. So I would assume all took part in the first world war, but I'm not sure about the second because they'd 'proved their worth' by that time and were no longer subordinate to Westminster. |
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Ireland was neutral in the second world war.
They were still a Dominion until the Republic of Ireland Act of 1948, I think... unless my Irish history is seriously dodgy (which it is )
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Wow Sir Keith's achievemtns are incredible yet so unsung. It makes you think how many people had amazing achievements like his but never got credit. So if this is a temporary statue, what is normally is in the place where the statue will sit?
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It's being moved to Waterloo Place, which is close to where the New Zealand embassy is.
Also, thanks for correcting me Brady, I was admittedly using the term "empty" a little loosely, since I was aware that there were temporary art works placed there, however since this one is also temporary I can see now that wasn't the best way to have worded it. Incidentally, Sir Keith Park died in 1975, but quite a few of his relatives were present at the ceremony when the statue was unveiled.
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im gonna have to disagree with the authors statement about the love of democracy, that would be D.C. not london. just saying lol. other than that good for him
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Why do you disagree?
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