He died for our sins...

[Cracka]

If Christianity didn't exist sin wouldn't exist thus we have nothing to repent for because we are doing nothing wrong. Our position in Heaven or Hell is based on what some guys that wrote a book a long while ago think is wrong or is right, that is if these two afterlives exist. Has no one ever considered this?

EDIT: This argument up here is just plain bad, if you want to see what point I was try make look on page two.

[Batman]

No one has ever considered this as eloquently and thoroughly as you have here today.

[Cracka]

Ah shit sarcasm

[Dolphus Raymond]

Originally Posted by Cracka

If Christianity didn't exist sin wouldn't exist thus we have nothing to repent for because we are doing nothing wrong.

Islam, plus every other organized religion and ethical system, might disagree.

Originally Posted by Cracka

Our position in Heaven or Hell is based on what some guys that wrote a book a long while ago think is wrong or is right, that is if these two afterlives exist. Has no one ever considered this?

You mean, that morals back then are outdated because morality changes? Not to Christians; not 'til God says so.

[tictac]

Uhm, duh? Christianity is not the only religion that says we all sin. Hinduism, the oldest religion, has that same philosophy years before Christianity was founded. Even the Judaism is older than Christianity.

[iwpoe]

Originally Posted by Cracka

If Christianity didn't exist sin wouldn't exist thus we have nothing to repent for because we are doing nothing wrong.

If your a Christian, sin is a fact of our nature apart from the religion. You're making a sociological objection to a religion that doesn't view its teachings as ideology.

Originally Posted by Cracka

Our position in Heaven or Hell is based on what some guys that wrote a book a long while ago think is wrong or is right, that is if these two afterlives exist.

No, not for the Christian point of view. From outside that point of view there is no heaven or hell, or, at least, what those guys have to say is of no relevance to it.

Originally Posted by Cracka

Has no one ever considered this?

I'm not quite sure your approach here makes total sense.

[iwpoe]

Originally Posted by tictac

Islam, the oldest religion, has that same philosophy years before Christianity was founded.

You mean Judaism. Islam postdates Christianity.

Moreover, the Jewish understanding of sin isn't precisely the same as that of the Christian, and it certainly doesn't have the same significance for their practice.

[flyboy2112]

Originally Posted by tictac

Uhm, duh? Christianity is not the only religion that says we all sin. Islam, the oldest religion, has that same philosophy years before Christianity was founded.

Check your facts. Islam is younger than Christianity.

[tictac]

Originally Posted by flyboy2112

Check your facts. Islam is younger than Christianity.

I meant Hinduism, always mix those 2 up.

[Batman]

Originally Posted by tictac

I meant Hinduism, always mix those 2 up.

I personally disagree with this because I don't think it's strictly fair to lump pre-Upanishad Indian religion in with what we think of as modern Hinduism. This would place it at around 500 BCE, which would be roughly around the beginning of the second temple of the Jews.

But I'm not trying to say that Judaism is the longest surviving religion because Judaism from 2500 years ago could be considered not the same Judaism they had 2000 years ago, or 1500 years ago, or 70 years ago.

But religions are funny like that, hard to tell exactly where one ends and one begins. But this kind of talk is kind of controversial because you're likely to offend somebody that believes in the religion you're talking about. If you asked an extremely religious Jew, Christian or Muslim when their religion started they might all say that it started with the creation of mankind.

[iwpoe]

Originally Posted by tictac

I meant Hinduism, always mix those 2 up.

No, you mean Judaism, since Hinduism doesn't have the notion of sin (at least certainly not as Christians or even Jews would understand it). Teachings about Karma generally serve the function in Hinduism that sin serves in Christianity.

[flyboy2112]

Judaism is the oldest monotheistic religion, but it can hardly be considered the oldest overall religion. I do believe that Hinduism is the oldest.

[rebellious_teen]

Originally Posted by Cracka

If Christianity didn't exist sin wouldn't exist thus we have nothing to repent for because we are doing nothing wrong.

So atheists thinks murdering is not a wrong?

[Mr.Scientist]

Originally Posted by tictac

Uhm, duh? Christianity is not the only religion that says we all sin. Hinduism, the oldest religion, has that same philosophy years before Christianity was founded.

Which beliefs about Hinduism are you referring to here? You are going to have to be more specific than that.

[Mr.Scientist]

Originally Posted by Cracka

If Christianity didn't exist sin wouldn't exist thus we have nothing to repent for because we are doing nothing wrong. Our position in Heaven or Hell is based on what some guys that wrote a book a long while ago think is wrong or is right, that is if these two afterlives exist. Has no one ever considered this?

In what way do you mean exactly, 'has no one ever considered this?' Given the amount of thoughts that everyone around the world has every second and every minute of every day, it is likely that someone may have thought this at one point before now. I am sure given the chance, I could find many similar thoughts of my own. I may not have had the same thoughts exactly, but the chances of me having similar thoughts are very high if I've done any thinking at all.