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    It's only ever used as an insult, does anyone know what it is? I sure don't
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    Based on a text based on Hume's writings that I was reading yesterday, metaphysics is everything that attempts to explain the nature of the world in a way that is not based on logic, mathemathics, or empirically confirmable experiences, and at the same time cannot be classified as theology. The text was written by Bohdan Chwedeńczuk and called "Ogień Hume'a" (Hume's Flame).

    Then again, I doubt that this definition is commonly accepted/agreed upon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolwing View Post
    Based on a text based on Hume's writings that I was reading yesterday, metaphysics is everything that attempts to explain the nature of the world in a way that is not based on logic, mathemathics, or empirically confirmable experiences, and at the same time cannot be classified as theology. The text was written by Bohdan Chwedeńczuk and called "Ogień Hume'a" (Hume's Flame).

    Then again, I doubt that this definition is commonly accepted/agreed upon.
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    Metaphysics is generally those disciplines that transcend phenomena, which are of course physical. Metaphysics can be said to include philosophy, theology, and even the more speculative or abstract mathematics. It is used pejoratively by the SCIENCE! types of fools who wouldn't know philosophy if it hit them in the face.

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    Kill Chwedeńczuk though, Etz. He basically reduces the entire field of metaphysics (in which he includes art theory, any abstract parts of political ideologies, and newspaper articles, among other things), to a way to gain dominance over other people.

    Besides, he was the one to use the term "not based on logic". It is hard to deny that most philosophy is based around some form of logical deduction or induction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChairmanHillard View Post
    It's only ever used as an insult, does anyone know what it is? I sure don't
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolwing View Post
    Based on a text based on Hume's writings
    Well, there's your problem right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iwpoe View Post
    Well, there's your problem right there.
    Yup. Forced by my Philosolhy teacher to write a text about that text, 'cause the author was his teacher, no less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolwing View Post
    Yup. Forced by my Philosolhy teacher to write a text about that text, 'cause the author was his teacher, no less.
    My condolences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwpoe View Post
    Read this to cure the prejudice then come back to me:

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    So it's basically claims or assumptions that are at least as certain as the claims of science since they "begin from premises that any possible physical science must take for granted"?

    Or is it simply inquiry about the world using qualitative properties instead of quantitative? The introduction told me what science doesn't do but i didn't catch what metaphysics does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChairmanHillard View Post
    So it's basically claims or assumptions that are at least as certain as the claims of science since they "begin from premises that any possible physical science must take for granted"?

    Or is it simply inquiry about the world using qualitative properties instead of quantitative? The introduction told me what science doesn't do but i didn't catch what metaphysics does.
    Science is the study of the features of objects, while philosophy extends to their nature and ordering. One might say that through science one recognises the universe, while through philosophy one understands it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChairmanHillard View Post
    So it's basically claims or assumptions that are at least as certain as the claims of science since they "begin from premises that any possible physical science must take for granted"?
    That's not quite right, but metaphysics properly includes the assumptions required for doing true science.
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    Or is it simply inquiry about the world using qualitative properties instead of quantitative? The introduction told me what science doesn't do but i didn't catch what metaphysics does.
    Oh, well, that's a longer conversation, but you've got to get past the idea that there's "science" and then nothing else to have that conversation.

    The qualitative/qualitative distinction, however, is insufficient. There are properly largely qualitative sciences: the social sciences to an extent, the humanities, history, much of psychology, large parts of biology, zoology, astronomy...

    Moreover, the physical sciences simply aren't non-qualitative. They just aim to keep low their overall qualitative categories. "A field" or "an element" or what have you are not quantitative of themselves. They are qualities that the sciences seek to expound quantitatively.
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    .Oh, well, that's a longer conversation, but you've got to get past the idea that there's "science" and then nothing else to have that conversation.
    What would an example be of a conversation shared by metaphysics and science?
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    Shared? They're different areas of knowledge, though fundamental areas in all fields are usually, at the least, composed of a number of metaphysical assumptions.
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