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    I've been pondering about life and thinking about its meaning for quite some time. I've came up with many ethics and ideas along the way. Its rather depressing to get so deep in thought about life, but I get into deep thought a lot. Lately I've discovered something. The only thing, we as humans, are guaranteed in life is death. From the moment we are born, to the moment we take our first step, to the moment we even learn how to talk, the only thing we are guarunteed is that we are going to one day die. We will all lay down and die one day. Death doesn't scare me, because it is the un-evitable and something no one can escape from. I kind of grasped it and took it as a blessing. You can't escape from it, so why run and deny it?

    Another thing I have been thinking about that is rather deep, for those that believe in heaven and freedom, is that maybe we are on heaven. Maybe we were given freedom but screwed it up by making so many rules to follow, and worst yet, the money system and government. I mean, the bible and most religions states everyone is equal. So why is there a president? Why does he get more power than the next person when everyone is equal? Maybe we are on heaven but just screwed it up and made it a hell. We are all here to fend for ourselves and survive, so how come we changed society to a place where we have to constantly look to others for advice, work, and worst yet, to survive? We may just be on heaven but, since the typical human is always striving for more answers and easier ways out of things, we screwed it up by making rules and destroying freedom. If there was no rules I'm pretty sure the world would work. There are more good people in the world rather than bad. Take a look at jails. Our population overflows the population of all the bad people in jail, and even the ones that haven't been caught yet. Anarchy is out of the question. There's no going back and restarting our civilization. Its evolved into something to big and mainstream. Its like trying to erase music off the face of the earth, or a language. The idea of making no rules would soon become corrupt because our civilization has evolved into one were we strive for one another and need rules, and look towards rules to survive. Most of us wouldn't be able to survive this life style because of this. Its out of the question for now, but what if all this freedom did come about, and our civilization followed these ethics? Maybe it would be less corrupt, but no one knows. Its the answers we look for, but will never find.


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    The way you use the word "heaven" makes it pretty much meaningless. It's true that the only thing we're guaranteed is an eventual death, but that doesn't mean that there's no meaning to our lives, only that there's no ultimate being out there to assign them objective meaning. The issues you describe arise from the fact that humans are imperfect; calling the world a hell is a dramatic proclamation that ignores the beauty and goodness that are there as well.
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    Why are rules the problem? Why isn't rather freedom the problem. If we were not free would would follow the rules perfectly.
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    No, freedom is good, it gives one the intellectual capacity to rationalise. I wouldn't want to be controlled like a robot, and I don't think God would like that either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JOL323 View Post
    No, freedom is good,
    So Christians claim. It looks ambivalent to me. Freedom seems to open up the possibility of good and evil.
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    it gives one the intellectual capacity to rationalise.
    That's a hefty claim. It seems to me that you're going to have to tell me what you mean by rationality here. If you mean the application of rules, then computers can do that perfectly well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JOL323 View Post
    No, freedom is good, it gives one the intellectual capacity to rationalise. I wouldn't want to be controlled like a robot, and I don't think God would like that either.
    iif there is God h e dont care if we are free or not. people i n societe are controled like robot. thiis i s what gouvernement is t o controled people.

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    We ARE controlled like robots in our societies. The government is partly to blame for that. But if there were no government our society would fall apart because of how our civilizations have evolved to these rules and followings of these governments. Also religions teaching us what is wrong and what is right and what to follow is also to blame. Most of us only believe in our religion because we were born into it, we want to believe in it because we don't know what is out there, or we just plain want to believe in something and not nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh8 View Post
    We ARE controlled like robots in our societies. The government is partly to blame for that. But if there were no government our society would fall apart because of how our civilizations have evolved to these rules and followings of these governments. Also religions teaching us what is wrong and what is right and what to follow is also to blame. Most of us only believe in our religion because we were born into it, we want to believe in it because we don't know what is out there, or we just plain want to believe in something and not nothing.
    je consens, the more religion influence gouvernement then more the people they are controlled.

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    We ARE controlled like robots in our societies.
    Controlled by who?

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    Society.

    (Sociology says so.)

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    Not very deep

    anyway, yes we all die, who cares? it's the life that is important not death...

    The whole 'heaven' concept is rubbish. We need rules in society to stop bad things from happening, there is nothing wrong with that. I dislike the money system, but government is necesarry. Just because people are equal doesnt mean that they are exaclty the same in every way. In most cases, a person in power deserves it for their hard work. Do you think that a person who sits on their arse ell day deserves presedency? Anyway, what exaclty is the point in life if you can never try to aspire because it will make you un-equal? We have freedom to do whatever we want, regarless of the punishment. We are not controlled, but we get punished for doing the wrong things. The two are very different. One does not need rules, one's peers do. It is completely idiotic to think that this world would work without rules. We have not had enough time to 'evolve' into any mental state since laws were introduced. We have freedom, but a world without rules would never work. It's as simply as that. I have found the answer, and it's danm obvious. Yes, there are more good people than bad, but any one person can be a mass murderer, and everyone has the evil buried inside them, no matter how long you need to dig. Any succesfull civilisation needs rules if you want to have any human rights.
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    In most cases, a person in power deserves it for their hard work.
    Which leads me to wonder what makes that person different to everyone else, I suspect a mental illness of some sort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh8 View Post
    I've been pondering about life and thinking about its meaning for quite some time. I've came up with many ethics and ideas along the way. Its rather depressing to get so deep in thought about life, but I get into deep thought a lot. Lately I've discovered something. The only thing, we as humans, are guaranteed in life is death.
    I wish I could disagree with you, but I can't - and when I am in the right mood this can depress the heck out of me.

    While I've deleted the rest of what you posted I generally agree with what you have said about death - that you can't escape it so you pretty much have to aaccept it. That doen't cheer me up much.

    The idea that at some point in the future I will cease to exist is an unhappy one, but, as you say, it is what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by standardstate View Post

    While I've deleted the rest of what you posted I generally agree with what you have said about death - that you can't escape it so you pretty much have to aaccept it. That doen't cheer me up much.

    The idea that at some point in the future I will cease to exist is an unhappy one, but, as you say, it is what it is.
    I believe death is something everyone should grasp and accept. No one should look forward to death, want it, or bring it upon their self, for suicide is selfish. Life is to short to be depressed and worried about something all the time. Get over the fear and anxiety that death will grab hold of you. Accept it. Know you can't control or escape the un-evitable. I believe that there is something after death and not nothing. That something can't be nothing. Life is a journey, and journeys always lead to something. Life is about you, since you are living your life. Live it to the best of your abiltiy, and eventualy wear it out. Be happy with your state in life. Go somewhere in life. Don't waste it because you will never get to re-do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svante View Post
    je consens, the more religion influence gouvernement then more the people they are controlled.
    Not necessarily true. You can hardly say that religion influenced the governments of Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin.

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