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    However, Yousef was captured in early 1995 in a joint effort between Phillipines police and US and Pakistani intelligence.
    Pakistani intelligence was behind the current terror bust too. I wonder why the media has largely ignored that fact. The Pakistani's informed the British about this plot and apparently several suspects had been arrested in Pakistan in the days leading up to todays thwarting of these terror attempts.

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    Kinda off topic but I hate the Color Alert System...never really means anything...
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    Security has been stepped up here in Auckland for flights destined for the USA and UK, although other destinations aren't affected by the increased security as much, if at all.
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    US airlines were being targeted, not UK ones.

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    US airlines were being targeted, not UK ones.
    American airliners departing from UK airports do not carry only American passengers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobhob View Post
    US airlines were being targeted, not UK ones.
    At this time of year the passangers would majority be british tourists which includes alot of kids

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlinstar87 View Post
    Pakistani intelligence was behind the current terror bust too. I wonder why the media has largely ignored that fact. The Pakistani's informed the British about this plot and apparently several suspects had been arrested in Pakistan in the days leading up to todays thwarting of these terror attempts.

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    They mentioned that on this evening's news here, but it does seem like they've been overlooked a little...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingKiwi View Post
    They mentioned that on this evening's news here, but it does seem like they've been overlooked a little...
    Today it has been aknowledged in the NY Times. Here is a report on this terror episode proving the Pakistan connection is much stronger than has been reported so far.


    Pakistan’s Help in Averting a Terror Attack Is a Double-Edged Sword

    This article was reported and written by Somini Sengupta, Scott Shane and David Rohde.

    LAHORE, Pakistan, Aug. 11 — Just over a year ago, after the deadly terrorist attack on London’s transportation system, all eyes fell on Pakistan, when it was revealed that two of the four suspects had come here and made contact with known militant Islamist outfits.
    This week, after British authorities foiled what they say was a far more spectacular terrorist scheme, all eyes fell on Pakistan once more. Except this time, Britain heralded Islamabad’s help in nabbing the would-be attackers.
    For Pakistan, success of this kind is a double-edged word. It allows Pakistan’s president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, to exhibit the country’s importance as a front-line ally in the global war against terror. It is also a tacit acknowledgment that Pakistan remains a nexus for would-be terrorists from halfway across the world.
    It is not the first time that Pakistan has proved to be fertile soil for the cultivation of terrorist activity. This week’s London case is the sixth major terrorist attack, either consummated or attempted over the last three years, to be linked to Pakistan in some fashion.
    It has again raised the question of whether Pakistan is doing enough to rein in terrorist groups operating on its soil. It may not be fair to blame Pakistan for a plot in which most of those arrested were born in Britain, said Christine Fair, of the United States Institute of Peace, a nonpartisan, federally financed policy group in Washington. “But Pakistan remains a place where you can find the ideology of terrorism and get the training to carry it out, and that’s a huge problem,” she said.
    Pakistan has long used extremist Islamist groups as tools to expert pressure on its neighbors, India and Afghanistan, and that strategy has come with a high price, said Stephen P. Cohen of the Brookings Institution.
    “Pakistan is reaping the results of longtime support for Islamist groups, including some involved in terrorism,” he said. Much for that reason, for the Bush administration Pakistan remains a crucial but sometimes disappointing partner in the campaign against terrorism.
    General Musharraf’s vocal support for American counterterrorist efforts has not always been matched by action. But the administration is reluctant to do anything that might add to the pressure on the Pakistani president, leader of an impoverished nuclear-armed nation of some 280 million people.
    Another tender point is Pakistan’s ambivalence about the international nuclear proliferation network operated for many years by A. Q. Khan, the father of the country’s nuclear weapons program, who was pardoned by General Musharraf but officially remains under house arrest.
    Still, Pakistani officials say they have been reliable allies against terrorism. It is impossible, they say, to keep tabs on everyone operating in difficult terrain in a country twice the size of California. “So there are maybe 1,000, 2,000, 3,000, or 500 people like this — we don’t know,” said a senior Pakistani official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly. “Whenever we get information like that, we do get hold of them.”
    Western experts acknowledge that General Musharraf, who has narrowly escaped assassination several times, must tread carefully. “His standing has eroded, and he can’t be seen as the poodle of the United States,” said Marvin G. Weinbaum, a longtime South Asia hand in the State Department South, who is now at the Middle East Institute.
    One of the major points of contention is the degree to which Pakistani and foreign militants, including Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, Al Qaeda’s leaders, continue to find sanctuary in the mountainous tribal areas that run along the border with Afghanistan.
    Western diplomats and military officials in Afghanistan say the Taliban also use the region as a rear base for its insurgency in Afghanistan. “The Taliban go to Pakistan for resupply, with their wounded, they have good cross-border communications, that is established intelligence,” a Western diplomat in Kabul said, asking not to be identified for fear of upsetting Pakistan.
    Pakistani officials point out that they have deployed 80,000 troops in the border regions since 2003, but have encountered bitter resistance among traditionally independent tribes there, losing as many as 600 soldiers in the fighting.
    A close aide to General Musharraf in fact confirmed that the government had been forced to ease up on its military activity in the tribal areas this year, saying the effort had failed. “In the tribal areas we have had to change our strategy,” said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the news media. “Our strategy of bombardment and using military action didn’t work.”
    After last year’s London attacks, Britain and the United States, among Pakistan’s most stalwart allies, pressed General Musharraf to rein in extremist groups operating in those areas and elsewhere on its soil.
    While the arrests this week clearly showed some Pakistani cooperation, they also seemed to indicate that terrorist training camps remain active. The Pakistani government was swift to describe its latest efforts in nabbing the would-be plotters as a testament to Pakistan’s “commitment” to fighting terrorism.
    “These coordinated arrests underscore the very important role that has been played by Pakistan in breaking this international terrorist network,” the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in a statement last Friday. In a second statement, it said that Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain had called General Musharraf to thank his government for its “valuable help.”
    That contrasted sharply with what took place last month after bombings in Mumbai, the financial capital of rival India. India blamed a banned Pakistani-based organization, Lashkar-e-Taiba. Pakistan asked India to offer proof, and India-Pakistan relations fell to a new low. Then, earlier this week, without explanation, the Pakistani authorities placed under house arrest Hafiz Saeed, the founder of Lashkar-e-Taiba.
    The Pakistani connection is a recurrent theme in recent terrorist plots, said Mr. Cohen of the Brookings Institution, with plotters in the West “receiving their spiritual guidance, their funding and sometimes their instructions from Pakistan.”
    Until his arrest in March 2003, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, Al Qaeda’s chief of operations, hid in Pakistan and maintained contact with terror cells stretching from north Africa to Indonesia. Just before an April 2002 truck bombing of a Tunisian synagogue killed 21 people, one of the plotters called Mr. Mohammed to alert him to the attack.
    In July 2003, Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, a 25-year-old Pakistani computer technician for Al Qaeda, was arrested in Pakistan in another joint operation with Britain.
    Pakistani authorities said they found a computerized archive of surveillance information on the International Monetary Fund and World Bank in Washington, the Citigroup tower in Manhattan, the New York Stock Exchange and the Prudential Building in Newark.
    In August 2003, the Thai police also found a link to Pakistan when they arrested Riduan Isamuddin, an Indonesian better known as Hambali, accused of masterminding the 2002 Bali nightclub attack that killed more than 200 people and other bombings.
    Intelligence officials said he was carrying a large amount of cash he had received from confederates in Pakistan.
    In March 2004, the British police arrested eight British-born ethnic Pakistanis and a naturalized Briton born in Algeria whom they said had obtained 1,300 pounds of fertilizer that they planned to use to blow up pubs, trains and restaurants in Britain.
    Pakistani officials said Zeeshan Siddique, a Briton of Pakistani descent arrested in Pakistan last year, told interrogators that he had spent time in Pakistan with two of the seven men now on trial for the 2004 bomb plot, and discussed ideas for attacking Britain’s electricity and communications systems.
    In April 2005, 11 Pakistanis were indicted in Spain on charges of raising money and recruiting for terrorist cells in Pakistan loyal to Al Qaeda and of conspiring to commit terrorist acts. Investigators discovered a videotape of some of the country’s tallest buildings as well as extremist propaganda materials.
    According to a British parliamentary report, two of the four suicide bombers who carried out the July 2005 attacks on London’s subway system underwent terrorist training in Pakistan and likely had some contact with Qaeda figures there.
    Mr. Weinbaum, of the Middle East Institute, said this pattern reflected an unresolved outcome of the American-led war in Afghanistan. Four years after the toppling of the Taliban, Al Qaeda and the Taliban continue to use neighboring Pakistan as a de facto base.
    “Most of the substantial Al Qaeda figures went to the teeming cities of Pakistan, particularly Karachi,” Mr. Weinbaum said. “They formed cells there and those cells have links to mosques in Britain and elsewhere.”


    <NYT_AUTHOR_ID>Somini Sengupta reported from Lahore for this article, Scott Shane from Washington, and David Rohde from New York. Mohammed Khan contributed reporting from Pakistan, and Carlotta Gall from Kabul, Afghanistan.
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    Hmm good thing that these maniacs were stopped. But one of them has been released with no further action being taken. It would so embarresing if this became Forrest Gate shooting: Part deux
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    I saw a thing on CNN this morning, where a lawyer for two of the suspects was complaining about their treatment; one of them had, apparently, not been given food in 26 hours.

    Personally, if I were in charge, the minute that we could prove that these guys were involved in a plot to kill that many innocent civilians, I'd have them taken out back and killed. Immediately. This scum doesn't deserve the right to a fair trial, or to live among us at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogbert View Post
    Personally, if I were in charge, the minute that we could prove that these guys were involved in a plot to kill that many innocent civilians, I'd have them taken out back and killed. Immediately. This scum doesn't deserve the right to a fair trial, or to live among us at all.

    Way to show your civilised. Everyone deserves a fair trial
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogbert
    Personally, if I were in charge, the minute that we could prove that these guys were involved in a plot to kill that many innocent civilians, I'd have them taken out back and killed. Immediately. This scum doesn't deserve the right to a fair trial, or to live among us at all.
    Trials and other legal procedures are how you prove guilt or innocence in places like the UK, US, and Canada.
    So your statement about proving someone was involved but saying they shouldn't get a trial is contradictory and makes no sense.
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    Surely you wouldn't be able to 'prove' they were involved until a trial was passed anyway?

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    You don't need a trial to prove someone's guilt. If someone's accused of committing a crime, and you've got them on videotape doing it, then there's your proof. Likewise, if the search of their homes turned up the bomb-making materials AND evidence that the persons in question intended to use them in terrorist attacks, then... fuck the trial, because in my opinion, you lose your rights when you try to cause that much harm to that many people.

    As for the "uncivilized" comment, I don't see what's uncivilized about it. These people intended to kill hundreds of people on those planes, and when you factor in the sheer number of planes involved and the fact that some of them may have waited to detonate the explosives over populated areas, we're talking thousands upon thousands of deaths, maybe more than they caused on September 11. These people are on the level of vermin to me, just like child molesters and premeditated murderers, and I'd have no more qualms about doing away with them than I would about swatting a fly on my arm.
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    You don't need a trial to prove someone's guilt.
    That sort of attitude would take the legal system back to the era before the Magna Carta in 1215.
    The best way to blur the differences between ourselves and the terrorists is to act like them. Once we lose the moral high ground, we give up the right to call ourselves the good guys.
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