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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel Down View Post
    Psychological evaluation, of course. The stat was the result of a "can they be rehabilitated or do we have to lock them up forever?" study in which they found that most people simply target children because they're easy targets, not because of any mental disorder. Those who were found to fit the profile of a "pedophile" (defined as one who has pedophilia, of course. I'm talking about the psychological term, not the bastardized term the public uses to describe everyone who looks at a minor the wrong way) were x% more likely to commit another crime against a child after release than similar offenders who had not shown characteristics of pedophilia.

    I vaguely remember posting about this once before over a year ago when I had the class and wrote a report about it. I'll see if I can't find it later and get back to you with some more solid information.
    "Pedophilia" may have a specific psychological definition and set of criteria, although I'm not sure. Do you have a link to this study, or recall anything about it? Can't find it on PubMed, and 80% of child abusers being opportunistic offenders is kind of mind-blowing to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond View Post
    "Pedophilia" may have a specific psychological definition and set of criteria, although I'm not sure. Do you have a link to this study, or recall anything about it? Can't find it on PubMed, and 80% of child abusers being opportunistic offenders is kind of mind-blowing to me.
    I found the post I had referred to previously here:

    Paedophila: Genuine fetish?

    It's about halfway down the page. Over 3 years ago... time sure flies.

    I'll grant you I was slightly off in my memory- I wrote in said post in 2008 that the number of sexual abusers of children who actually have pedophilia is "roughly 1/3," but that number is still mind-blowingly low to me as well (which is why I've remembered it).

    I apologize for my lack of a source, but being as long ago as it was I have no idea where to begin my search. Anyway, here's what I remember: it was a "pro and con" article about whether or not people convicted of sexual crimes against children should be allowed back in society after serving their prison sentences. Information regarding the percentage of offenders who become repeat offenders was discussed in-depth, which is where the interesting "only 1/3 of all offenders are pedophiles" stat came up. The rest of the article talked about how this 1/3 of offenders were astronomically more likely to become repeat offenders due to legitimate psychological problems, which brought up the debate over whether they should ever be released. U.S. Navy had a post on the same page that corroberated mine. Hopefully the link helps a bit.
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    I was told by my sexual abuse counselor that people that commit rape don't have control of their own lives. By raping someone, they have control over someone else, something they can never usually get.

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    That's very dangeroud way of thinking.
    Nothing that raped person do can't provoke rape if the rapist isn't already sick in his head, a sociopath without control, an evil person who enjoys in suffering of others or someone who is not really under control and starts doing things that are prohibited and bad for others.
    It's ALWAYS and EXCLUSIVELY the act of rapist, person who is raped can't be blamed or take partial responisibility. It's always only rapist fault (or fault of society that let sick person walk around freely).
    Although I agree with you that rape is a sick thing that can happen to anyone and that it should never be the victim's fault, blaming the victim comes from a lot of things. The fact that men are biologically created to pick up on visual cues is a given argument by some theorists that it's better for women to keep their cloths on. Also, a person should not put themselves in a dangerous situation in the first place. From the Criminology class I took, crime is the result of three factors...1)a motivated offender, 2)a suitable target, and 3)absence of a capable guardian. That's it. It's that simple really. If a person goes out in public, they can reduce a lot of their chances by not going anywhere near an unsuitable place and having someone to come along with them. Again, I'm not supporting the mindset that we should "blame the victim" here but there are a lot more factors that go into it than just the rapist is sick in the head.

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    Men and women are raped daily, not because of what they're wearing, but because they were in the proximity of, and deemed an appropriate victim by...a RAPIST. Rape is not an action of lust, rather it is one of power. Most rapes are perpetrated by people the victims knew, or take place under the influence of drugs/alcohol when consent is not able to be provided.

    If people want to protect themselves, changing how they dress is the last thing that will help. Steps people can take to protect themselves include walking with others rather than alone, carrying something to protect themselves like pepper spray, controlling alcohol or drug intake when not accompanied by someone to look out for you, and always remaining aware of the people you are with.

    One's perceived vulnerability is the most often cited reason rapists have for choosing their victims, not their dress. If anything, a woman dressed in provocative clothing may be seen as less vulnerable, as there is a perceived confidence. Additionally, these women are likely to be more aware of those looking at them.
    I agree with much of the above point. Except I think that if women are going to drink, they should go into the situation with many trusted friends that will take care of them. Alcohol is proven to cause ineffective judgement for a lot of people. Therefore, it's wise to have friends when drinking and not make yourself a suitable target. Also, I've heard something about that last point as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by pheurton View Post
    Does anyone have the relevant statistics about rape being:
    a) more so about power than sexual gratification
    b) almost exclusively about power?
    Well, from what I heard in Criminology class last semester, some theorists believe rape is the result of some rapists wanting to spread their genes. Since they are not able to spread their genes legitimately, they are likely to go after sex by illegitimate means. I don't really believe this to be true all the time, but this is another possible argument.

    Edit: I've also heard from the Human Sexuality and Society class that I am taking this semester that women tend to fantasize about being victimized by a stranger often in reported studies. Although this doesn't necessarily indicate that women want to be raped. Also, some men have been reported to be turned on by the thoughts of forcing sex on someone. Although this doesn't necessarily suggests that a person is going to be a rapists. Porn can sometimes be the reason men believe forced sex to be erotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Emojoy View Post
    Although I agree with you that rape is a sick thing that can happen to anyone and that it should never be the victim's fault, blaming the victim comes from a lot of things. The fact that men are biologically created to pick up on visual cues is a given argument by some theorists that it's better for women to keep their cloths on. Also, a person should not put themselves in a dangerous situation in the first place. From the Criminology class I took, crime is the result of three factors...1)a motivated offender, 2)a suitable target, and 3)absence of a capable guardian. That's it. It's that simple really. If a person goes out in public, they can reduce a lot of their chances by not going anywhere near an unsuitable place and having someone to come along with them. Again, I'm not supporting the mindset that we should "blame the victim" here but there are a lot more factors that go into it than just the rapist is sick in the head.

    I agree with much of the above point. Except I think that if women are going to drink, they should go into the situation with many trusted friends that will take care of them. Alcohol is proven to cause ineffective judgement for a lot of people. Therefore, it's wise to have friends when drinking and not make yourself a suitable target. Also, I've heard something about that last point as well.
    I agree with the above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Emojoy View Post
    Well, from what I heard in Criminology class last semester, some theorists believe rape is the result of some rapists wanting to spread their genes. Since they are not able to spread their genes legitimately, they are likely to go after sex by illegitimate means. I don't really believe this to be true all the time, but this is another possible argument.
    I don't think that sounds like a particularly plausible motivation for most rapists (and this would only apply to male on female or female on male rapes). I highly doubt there's any intent placed with regards to pregnancy. That's just ridiculous.

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    Edit: I've also heard from the Human Sexuality and Society class that I am taking this semester that women tend to fantasize about being victimized by a stranger often in reported studies. Although this doesn't necessarily indicate that women want to be raped. Also, some men have been reported to be turned on by the thoughts of forcing sex on someone. Although this doesn't necessarily suggests that a person is going to be a rapists. Porn can sometimes be the reason men believe forced sex to be erotic.
    It's a dominance and control thing. The majority of people have some wish to either be sexually dominant or submissive to some degree, possibly both. In the case of a rapist the desire to dominate someone sexually tends to come from a person's desire for complete and total dominance of that person, without their consent. To desire sexual dominance in an encounter with another person doesn't make one a rapist if done with complete consent of all people involved. Most girls I've talked to on the subject tend to have some desire to be dominated during sex, which tends to include things like spanking, biting, and possibly even hair pulling, choking, and slapping. I'd be quite happy to oblige. It's a natural part of accepting that we're the most sexual animals in the history of life on this planet.

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    Victim blaming is fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyboy2112 View Post
    I don't think that sounds like a particularly plausible motivation for most rapists (and this would only apply to male on female or female on male rapes). I highly doubt there's any intent placed with regards to pregnancy. That's just ridiculous.
    I agree. The theory has a lot of fulfill. I was only trying to offer some alternative explanations.

    It's a dominance and control thing. The majority of people have some wish to either be sexually dominant or submissive to some degree, possibly both. In the case of a rapist the desire to dominate someone sexually tends to come from a person's desire for complete and total dominance of that person, without their consent. To desire sexual dominance in an encounter with another person doesn't make one a rapist if done with complete consent of all people involved. Most girls I've talked to on the subject tend to have some desire to be dominated during sex, which tends to include things like spanking, biting, and possibly even hair pulling, choking, and slapping. I'd be quite happy to oblige. It's a natural part of accepting that we're the most sexual animals in the history of life on this planet.
    I agree here as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Emojoy View Post
    Also, a person should not put themselves in a dangerous situation in the first place. From the Criminology class I took, crime is the result of three factors...1)a motivated offender, 2)a suitable target, and 3)absence of a capable guardian. That's it. It's that simple really. If a person goes out in public, they can reduce a lot of their chances by not going anywhere near an unsuitable place and having someone to come along with them.
    As most sexual abuse happens in family and "friendly" environment I can't agree with this.
    But yeah, in general, people should avoid doing dangerous things.
    I think rapist can "choose" non sexy victim on purpose because she may appear more vulnerable or maybe people will hardly believe her so it will be harder to accuse him. Idk though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsoob View Post
    As most sexual abuse happens in family and "friendly" environment I can't agree with this.
    You're right with this point. That goes along with the motivated offender point though. Whether they are family or friends, they are also a motivated offender and the person being victimized has become a suitable target. I actually heard from the same class that in general, women are victimized by family and so-called friends or boyfriends, while men are usually victimized by strangers in close proximity to them. Therefore, most of the rapes committed against men could be avoided and women just have to find trustful family hopefully.

    I think rapist can "choose" non sexy victim on purpose because she may appear more vulnerable or maybe people will hardly believe her so it will be harder to accuse him. Idk though.
    This is likely true.
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    I don't think you can say that something specific does.

    All of the rapists have done it for different reasons.

    It could be anger/revenge, a psychological reason e.t.c
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    It's analogous to murder, the characteristics just might be different for each crime (though there is often overlap).

    Why did that woman wear "slutty" clothes in front of that rapist? Why did that guy appear physically weak when he walked in front of that serial killer? Why did that kid call his homocidial dad an "asshole" for being an alcoholic? In a way, you can argue that all these people were "asking for it"--but we know that is useless and silly.

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    Well, from what I heard in Criminology class last semester, some theorists believe rape is the result of some rapists wanting to spread their genes. Since they are not able to spread their genes legitimately, they are likely to go after sex by illegitimate means. I don't really believe this to be true all the time, but this is another possible argument.
    This is silly. Why do you assume that rapists can't spread their genes legitimately? I would assume that most rapists are perfectly capable of finding a woman to have consensual sex with. They just prefer the dominance and force associated with rape.

    Also, let's be honest here. Some women do some really stupid things and put themselves into dangerous situations. That doesn't mean they "deserved" to get raped or that the rapist shouldn't be punished harshly, but I feel we should be encouraging safe behavior, not taking the idealist stance of "It's ALWAYS and EXCLUSIVELY the act of rapist, person who is raped can't be blamed or take partial responisibility. It's always only rapist fault". There are ways to reduce the likelihood of it happening such as having an escort late at night and carrying a weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beetle96 View Post
    I don't think you can say that something specific does.

    All of the rapists have done it for different reasons.

    It could be anger/revenge, a psychological reason e.t.c
    True, there might different psychological factors, but we know from scientific studies that there are plenty of general broad tendencies as well.

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    This is silly. Why do you assume that rapists can't spread their genes legitimately?
    I'm not saying they can't spread their genes legitimately at all. I've never really read into the study or the asserted theory to be quite honest, but perhaps those rapists had their confidence destroyed by many women over time. It's quite plausible. If their confidence was destroyed, they may feel as if the only way to spread their genes is through illegitimate encounters.

    Also, let's be honest here. Some women do some really stupid things and put themselves into dangerous situations. That doesn't mean they "deserved" to get raped or that the rapist shouldn't be punished harshly, but I feel we should be encouraging safe behavior, not taking the idealist stance of "It's ALWAYS and EXCLUSIVELY the act of rapist, person who is raped can't be blamed or take partial responisibility. It's always only rapist fault". There are ways to reduce the likelihood of it happening such as having an escort late at night and carrying a weapon.
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    Satan.
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    What allows it is free will.
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    Over production of testosterone, sexual repression, the desire/need to dominate over others, a predatory opportunistic mind set, and any combination of those drives it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultros View Post
    Also, let's be honest here. Some women do some really stupid things and put themselves into dangerous situations. That doesn't mean they "deserved" to get raped or that the rapist shouldn't be punished harshly, but I feel we should be encouraging safe behavior, not taking the idealist stance of "It's ALWAYS and EXCLUSIVELY the act of rapist, person who is raped can't be blamed or take partial responisibility. It's always only rapist fault". There are ways to reduce the likelihood of it happening such as having an escort late at night and carrying a weapon.
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