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    Default What's the difference between Liberalism and Libertarianism?


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    Not really a debate, but I dunno the answer.


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    Default Re: What's the difference between Liberalism and Libertarianism?

    Not much, apart from in America.
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    Default Re: What's the difference between Liberalism and Libertarianism?

    Libertarianism values individual freedom; liberalism values group freedom, that is to say, the libertarian believes one can and should be free by one's self as one's self, whereas the liberal believes, in some sense (it depends on the type of liberal), that one can be free only in a community ordered in such a way that allows you to be free- a community where society does not restrict your becoming what you are capable of becoming.
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    Default Re: What's the difference between Liberalism and Libertarianism?

    Hm, not really much difference in practice then >.>

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    Lightbulb Re: What's the difference between Liberalism and Libertarianism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kitsune View Post
    Hm, not really much difference in practice then >.>
    If you consider the libertarian hostility to governmental programs and the liberal necessity of governmental programs "not much difference" then sure...
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    Default Re: What's the difference between Liberalism and Libertarianism?

    Nvm, I get it >.> Libertarian is to interventionalism as liberalism is to conservatism, then.

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    Default Re: What's the difference between Liberalism and Libertarianism?

    The problem is that when people say liberal and conservative here they think you're talking about the Liberal Democrats or the Conservative Party.

    If you're talking ideology then liberals (Liberal Democrats and liberals (Two Nation Conservatives) in the Conservative Party, like Thatcher) are generally against government intervention. Although the Liberal Democrats have relaxed a bit because of the merge with the SDP. These are like the American Libertarians.

    Whereas the opposite would be the (quasi-) socialist Labour Party who are for government intervention, and would be the most like the American Liberals.

    Small-c conservatives (One Nation Conservatives, like the Queen) in the Conservative Party are less concerned with government intervention and are more traditional. Enemies of Thatcher, she called them 'wets'.
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    Default Re: What's the difference between Liberalism and Libertarianism?

    A liberal is someone who believes that the interests and freedoms of the individual are the strongest (as opposed to the state, community, global interests etc).

    A libertarian believes that in order to maximise individual liberty there should be minimal state involvement, and the most extreme this means the only tax justified is that required for the military, police and other such organisations, everything else (education, health, welfare, etc etc) should be provided by the free market or charity.
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    Default Re: What's the difference between Liberalism and Libertarianism?

    There's a disconnect here, in terms of names, between a few different traditions.

    Until about the Great Depression, "Liberalism", economically, meant as much of a hands-off, free-trade policy as possible. People have their rights to their lives and property, and the government doesn't intervene.

    However, when the mid-20th-century came, there was a restructuring and a shuffling-around, and that former sense of laissez-faire is now called "Classical Liberalism" in opposition to "Modern", "New", or "New Deal" liberalism. In the US, though, most know it as Libertarianism.

    Liberal hasn't always meant the same thing, over the last few centuries. As you can see.

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    Default Re: What's the difference between Liberalism and Libertarianism?

    Quote Originally Posted by tg2105 View Post
    A liberal is someone who believes that the interests and freedoms of the individual are the strongest (as opposed to the state, community, global interests etc).
    Yes, they believe strongly in both economic and personal liberty. For a "liberal" magazine, see the Economist.

    A libertarian believes that in order to maximise individual liberty there should be minimal state involvement, and the most extreme this means the only tax justified is that required for the military, police and other such organisations, everything else (education, health, welfare, etc etc) should be provided by the free market or charity.
    Sort of. Thats a right-wing libertarian. There are plenty of left-wing libertarians who would disagree with that.


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    Default Re: What's the difference between Liberalism and Libertarianism?

    The issue is complex.

    In contemporary political philosophy, liberalism is best represented by John Rawls seminal work "A Theory of Justice", developing a concept of distributive justice that Rawls called "justice as fairness.

    It's summed up by 2 principles: the liberty principle, which states that all people should have as much liberty as is compatible with such liberty for all, and the difference principle, which states that inequalities should be attached to positions in society only if those positions are open to all, and the inequalities benefit the most disadvantaged in society. The theory stems, largely, from social contract theory.

    Libertarianism generally derives from Lockean and Kantian philosophy. Generally, a libertarian would say that each person has certain natural rights, and that the only role of government is to protect those natural rights, and protect people from other people's infringements.

    Libertarianism is similar to classical liberalism; market liberalism is an economics theory best represented by the Austrian school; it advocates allowing market forces to control the economy, with minimal interference.

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