Corporal Punishment...

[QBMatt07]

Does anyone here believe in spanking your kids....

I do....so long as it doesnt incur major damage, bruising, or scars.

There is someone in The christian bible that talks about this type of discipline....

[QBMatt07]

Proverbs 13:24(KJV): "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."

Proverbs 13:24(AMP): "He who spares his rod (of discipline) hates his son, but he who loves him diligently disciplines and punishes him early."


Proverbs 22:15: "Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him."

Proverbs 23:13-14: "Withold not discipline from the child, for if you strike and punish him with the (reed-like) rod, he will not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell."

Proverbs 19:18(AMP): "Discipline your son while there is hope, but do not (indulge your angry resentments by undue chastisements and) set yourself to his ruin."

Proverbs 22:6: "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."

Proverbs 29:15 &17(AMP):

15 The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left undisciplined brings his mother to shame.
17 Correct your son, and he will give you rest; yes, he will give delight to your heart.

Ephesians 6:1-4:

1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
2 Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.



oh yeah...hehe...My sources include...umm God

[Calisto]

Yes, absolutely. Kids have to be punished or they will grow and and not listen to anything or even obey what you say.

[Green Flame]

Originally posted by Calisto
Yes, absolutely. Kids have to be punished or they will grow and and not listen to anything or even obey what you say.


Horse shit. I was never struck as a child, I've never been grounded, but I'm probably one of the most loyal kids out there. I'm always back on time, I don't do drugs, I do shit when they ask me. And none of this was because I was spanked when I was younger. It is more than possible to raise a child to be "obedient" without ever raising a hand to them.


When I did something wrong, my parents talked to me about it. They explained to me why it was wrong, and why I shouldn't do it. The problem with hitting a kid is they don't learn anything from it. They do something wrong, you bend them over your knee, then they go do it again later. Speech is the key here...

[QBMatt07]

True story....I went to this landfill, my parents EXPLICITLY told me not to go, told me WHY i shouldnt go, i still went. WEll I broke my arm when i was there, and when I was back from the hospital I got a spanking, I NEVER went back.....

[Calisto]

Originally posted by Green Flame
Horse shit. I was never struck as a child, I've never been grounded, but I'm probably one of the most loyal kids out there. I'm always back on time, I don't do drugs, I do shit when they ask me. And none of this was because I was spanked when I was younger. It is more than possible to raise a child to be "obedient" without ever raising a hand to them.

When I did something wrong, my parents to me about it. They explained to me why it was wrong, and why I shouldn't do it. The problem with hitting a kid is they don't learn anything from it. They do something wrong, you bend them over your knee, then they go do it again later. Speech is the key here...

What? "The problem with hitting a kid is they don't learn anything from it. They do something wrong, you bend them over your knee, then they go do it again later." That is horse shit. Any kid with half a brain will learn from being spanked. The child will think that if they do a certain thing next time, they will get spanked again. Maybe I better not do that again. Talking to them about might work when they are a teenager, but not at 3 and 4 years of age. I was spanked and I am more well behaved than most of the kids that were not spanked. I have never even talked back to my dad. That is the problem with kids today, they do not know the meaning of authority and punishment. They don't give a damn about the consequences.

[ResetC2]

I personally have turned out quite well without physical disciplining or ever being grounded... but I am quite different than almost all in some ways, so I'm not sure.

[DeathbyJupiter]

I was spanked and I turned out fine... I guess.

[Dedalus]

Notice that all but one of those comes from the Old Testament, and that one, says absolutely nothing about smacking. Also all the Old Testament ones are from Proverbs, which I'm doubtful of, seeing as I once found a proverb that stated. "Gossip is so tasty—how we love to swallow it! " but back to the point.

I, personaly, was never hit as a child, neither is my sister. I disagree with corparal punishment in any way.

1. Adults may abuse it and use to actually cause major harm to a child.
2. There are many other ways in which one can discpline one's child. For example, sending them to their room, limiting their pocket money (see website below)
3. It reinforces that smacking is normal behaviour between normal human beings. They will then, while at school, start to hit other children as they are copying their parents example.
4. Over a long period children can feel resentful and angry - this spoils the parent's relationship with them.
5. Children eventually try to avoid smacking as they grow older - but may lie, or hide how they feel, which is not what parents want.
6. Some children might become more difficult and defiant, so discipline is even harder as they grow up.
7. The Lord Jesus Christ himself said:
"Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy"
and
"I desire mercy, not sacrifice"
also
"but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. " (In reference to point 5.)
8. It is an attack on a person, and emphasise the word person, who is completely defenseless. If such an attack was done upon an adult, the agressor would be done for assault.
9. Smacking, according to research, simply doesn't work that well. Here is an article from the BBC website.
(apologies for a long post)

Most children see smacking as any other kind of hitting and have negative feelings about their parents after being physically disciplined, according to a new report.

Research by Save the Children and the National Children's Bureau found that children understood they had to be told off if they misbehaved, but researchers suggested alternative punishments such as going without pocket money or being sent to their bedrooms might be more effective.

The report concluded: "The children's opinions have confirmed the belief of Save the Children and NCB that smacking does not work and that the best and safest way forward is to ban all forms of physical punishment and encourage alternative ways of disciplining children."

Discussions with more than 70 children aged four to seven indicated that children felt smacking reinforced cycles of violent behaviour and did little to help build up a positive relationship between parent and child.

'Worrying' results

The report follows a campaign launched last week by the two organisations called Children are Unbeatable designed to persuade the government to give children the same legal protection against assault as adults.

Out of the 76 children consulted for the report, 19 said they had been smacked on the head, face or cheek, a figure which the charities described as "worrying".

One child said: "You feel you don't like your parents any more" and another said: "It makes you feel horrible inside."

The comments also showed that many children did not see much difference between parents smacking children and other forms of hitting. They compared smacking with being hit by bullies and realised they could not hit back when they were smacked because their parents could hit harder.

One seven-year-old girl said parents should be given a "prescription" warning them not to hit their children on the head in case they caused brain damage.

Following a European Court ruling last year, the government plans to clarify the existing law on smacking, which allows parents to use "reasonable chastisement" against their children.

Last September, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that the British law on corporal punishment in the home failed to protect children's rights, after considering the case of a boy who had been beaten by his stepfather with a three-foot garden cane between the ages of five and eight.

The stepfather was acquitted by a British court of causing actual bodily harm. He had argued that the beating was "reasonable chastisement".

The 14-year-old boy was awarded £10,000 damages against the government and £20,000 legal costs.

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The vast majority of childrens organisations are now against smacking or any type of physical chastisement including Save the Children, NSPCC, Banardos.

Here is a webiste that describes an alternative to smacking called "positive discpline"

http://www.early-education.org.uk/1leaflet16.htm

(again my apologies for a long post)

[Green Flame]

Originally posted by Calisto
What? "The problem with hitting a kid is they don't learn anything from it. They do something wrong, you bend them over your knee, then they go do it again later." That is horse shit. Any kid with half a brain will learn from being spanked. The child will think that if they do a certain thing next time, they will get spanked again. Maybe I better not do that again. Talking to them about might work when they are a teenager, but not at 3 and 4 years of age. I was spanked and I am more well behaved than most of the kids that were not spanked. I have never even talked back to my dad. That is the problem with kids today, they do not know the meaning of authority and punishment. They don't give a damn about the consequences.


Maybe some kids are just retarded. I always seemed to understand when I was told not to do something....If they have to learn from physical means not to do something...doesn't that make them the ones with half the brain?

And who are you trying to be? You're a teenager, and you're talking about the problem with kids today...I don't know how many other kids you've seen in your many years on this planet, but the kids haven't changed, YOU have. Kids and teenagers are by nature more rebellious, there's no way to stifle this...and if there is, I hope we never find it.

[Calisto]

Originally posted by Green Flame
Maybe some kids are just retarded. I always seemed to understand when I was told not to do something....If they have to learn from physical means not to do something...doesn't that make them the ones with half the brain?

And who are you trying to be? You're a teenager, and you're talking about the problem with kids today...I don't know how many other kids you've seen in your many years on this planet, but the kids haven't changed, YOU have. Kids and teenagers are by nature more rebellious, there's no way to stifle this...and if there is, I hope we never find it.

But back in the day when our parents went to school, there was no talking back to the teacher or anything. They used the paddle, which I think should still be used.

No, most kids just do not obey authority. You however, are a lucky one. Kids are far more worse today, that they were 20 years ago. Crime for young people I think has almost doubled since 1980.

[ResetC2]

I personally wish that teachers still used the paddle method simply b/c I just don't fear physical pain like most people do, and would much rather be punished this way than with a detention or call home or whatever. But I think the paddle method would prove quite a bit more effective against most kids.

[Green Flame]

Originally posted by Calisto
But back in the day when our parents went to school, there was no talking back to the teacher or anything. They used the paddle, which I think should still be used.

No, most kids just do not obey authority. You however, are a lucky one. Kids are far more worse today, that they were 20 years ago. Crime for young people I think has almost doubled since 1980.


When did your parents go to school? The 1800s? The paddle has not been allowed in public schools for many many years...

Crime hasn't doubled because of kids getting worse...They're not comitting crimes because they're young and don't respect authority, it's because everything sucks and they're fighting back! When your children are the ones starting to commit crimes, you know the situation is bad. It's not because they haven't been disciplined or have bad parents (not in all cases, anyway), it's because they're discontented and tired of it.

[jojoko]

Originally posted by QBMatt07
Does anyone here believe in spanking your kids....


no, i dont.
i know that i was spanked as a child but i dont remember it. then my parents stopped. but anyways, you fucking conservatives need to shut up with that God this and that. a child should be treated as much like an adult as possible. you wouldn't spank an adult. they are not less than us but need less responsibilities so not exactly like an adult.

[Calisto]

Originally posted by Green Flame
When did your parents go to school? The 1800s? The paddle has not been allowed in public schools for many many years...

Crime hasn't doubled because of kids getting worse...They're not comitting crimes because they're young and don't respect authority, it's because everything sucks and they're fighting back! When your children are the ones starting to commit crimes, you know the situation is bad. It's not because they haven't been disciplined or have bad parents (not in all cases, anyway), it's because they're discontented and tired of it.

Try the 1960's. The paddle is not fully outlawed. I am aware of some schools that still use it. And the behavior there is excellent.

Whatever. Teenagers have always felt that way, they just never acted. Parents are slacking off on parenthood. That is why a lot of kids don't listen or obey to any of what their parents say. It was not like that 30 years ago when spanking was not looked down upon. Tis a sad place this world is coming to.:(

[ResetC2]

Originally posted by Green Flame
They're not comitting crimes because they're young and don't respect authority, it's because everything sucks and they're fighting back!

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

That is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard.

[Green Flame]

Originally posted by Calisto
Try the 1960's. The paddle is not fully outlawed. I am aware of some schools that still use it. And the behavior there is excellent.

Whatever. Teenagers have always felt that way, they just never acted. Parents are slacking off on parenthood. That is why a lot of kids don't listen or obey to any of what their parents say. It was not like that 30 years ago when spanking was not looked down upon. Tis a sad place this world is coming to.:(


Oh quit with the uber-conservative boo-hoo everything is going down the tubes bullshit. The older generation has been saying the new generation is getting worse for hundreds of years. The world has always been a sad place, get over it. Spanking in the greater scheme of things is not going to help anything.

[Calisto]

Originally posted by Green Flame
Oh quit with the uber-conservative boo-hoo everything is going down the tubes bullshit. The older generation has been saying the new generation is getting worse for hundreds of years. The world has always been a sad place, get over it. Spanking in the greater scheme of things is not going to help anything.

This has nothing to do with my politcal beliefs. I bet you a million bucks that when you and I both have a kid, and mine will be spanked and yours not, mine would be better behaved.

[Green Flame]

Originally posted by ResetC2
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

That is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard.


Think about it though. How else do you explain the rise in teen crime? They're lashing out at a society that hates them. (see: Calisto ;) ) It's hardly a stupid idea. It's quite logical...they're not happy, no one cares, so they try to get attention to themselves.

[Green Flame]

Originally posted by Calisto
This has nothing to do with my politcal beliefs. I bet you a million bucks that when you and I both have a kid, and mine will be spanked and yours not, mine would be better behaved.


How in the world can you even try to come up with a reasonable justification to that statement of idiocy? There is no way to prove that kind of thing, there are no studies that say "KIDS THAT GET SHIT BEATEN OUT OF THEM ARE BETTER BEHAVED" as several members have said, they weren't spanked and they're not little Hellions.

[Calisto]

Originally posted by Green Flame
How in the world can you even try to come up with a reasonable justification to that statement of idiocy? There is no way to prove that kind of thing, there are no studies that say "KIDS THAT GET SHIT BEATEN OUT OF THEM ARE BETTER BEHAVED" as several members have said, they weren't spanked and they're not little Hellions.

They are the lucky few out of thousands. And they are not beat. I was spanked and I never had any emotional or physical damage. You just don't do it so hard that you leave a bruise.:roll:

[Green Flame]

You can't back that up at all. How can you prove that everyone who isn't spanked is badly disciplined? I know plenty of my friends were not spanked, and they have very healthy relationships with their parents.

[Calisto]

Originally posted by Green Flame
You can't back that up at all. How can you prove that everyone who isn't spanked is badly disciplined? I know plenty of my friends were not spanked, and they have very healthy relationships with their parents.

How can you prove that kids are just fed up with the world today. How can you prove that they are not acting out because they aren't disciplined?

[Ace Rockolla]

Originally posted by Calisto
What? "The problem with hitting a kid is they don't learn anything from it. They do something wrong, you bend them over your knee, then they go do it again later." That is horse shit. Any kid with half a brain will learn from being spanked. The child will think that if they do a certain thing next time, they will get spanked again. Maybe I better not do that again.

You'd think so, but studying the issue suggest otherwise. Either way, you're just drawing conclusions without substance. Having studied psychology for about a year and a half, I can say that corporal punishment isn't more effective than any other means of punishment. Rather that curbing behavior, it merely teaches the kid not to get caught so as to not get the punishment. They don't necessarily learn anything because they're just struck without specific reason. You create fear, not necessarily better behavior. In fact, it's often worse because of the fact those issuing the punishment do not out of disicipline but out of anger and do not punish based on any particular scale. Spanking a child for lighting something on fire...that's one thing. Spanking a child for spilling milk on the carpet...unacceptable. Often people who spank do not understand this.



Talking to them about might work when they are a teenager, but not at 3 and 4 years of age. I was spanked and I am more well behaved than most of the kids that were not spanked. I have never even talked back to my dad. That is the problem with kids today, they do not know the meaning of authority and punishment. They don't give a damn about the consequences.

Pure punishment does not really equal understanding the consequences of one's actions. Punishment is one thing, understanding WHY not to do something is something else.


But back in the day when our parents went to school, there was no talking back to the teacher or anything. They used the paddle, which I think should still be used.

Hmmph...it worked so well, huh? I'm sorry, but merely scaring people in to submission is the tool of a dictator, not a teacher. You don't learn anything except not to talk back to authority, not what is right and wrong.


No, most kids just do not obey authority. You however, are a lucky one. Kids are far more worse today, that they were 20 years ago. Crime for young people I think has almost doubled since 1980.

Broad, sweeping, unsubstanciated claims and assumptions...but you're a master of not putting forth facts and only perpetuating pervious conseverative view points. Not a single original thought...

[Jodie]

Teen crime has been explained in many ways, the most common is that these people are bored, but i feel it is a lack of respect for authority and for their parents. If their parents don't lay down the rules at a young age then they will never live with them.
I think that if the only way to fix that is to smack a child when they won't listen to their parents makes sense. It's stupid to think that children of three or four will listen to reasoning and not do it again if, just once, they are smacked for swearing or whatever then they won't do it again... when they are old enough to understand to smacking sould lessen then stop. The only problem with this apart from the 'excuse to abuse' is that children that are smacked have been linked with agression and thinking that they are allowed to smack other children for the same things.

[Oooska]

When you beat the shit out of a child, all you're doing is breeding fear, hatred, and resentment. They may listen for the time being, but they're going to strike back. Contrary to popular belief, kids can in fact feel remorse for what they have done (and as such, not do it again when they understand why they shouldn't). Of course, instilling the ideas of remorse takes actual parenting skills, which is much harder than simply smacking your child.

Anyone that needs to resort to hitting their kids to get them to behave is pathetic.

[DeathbyJupiter]

Originally posted by Green Flame
Think about it though. How else do you explain the rise in teen crime? They're lashing out at a society that hates them. (see: Calisto ;) ) It's hardly a stupid idea. It's quite logical...they're not happy, no one cares, so they try to get attention to themselves.

Oddly enough, according tro a recent study, violent crime rates amongst teebs have dropped by 67% since 1991.

[QBMatt07]

Originally posted by Green Flame
The paddle has not been allowed in public schools for many many years...

Actually....you're wrong. There are MANY public schools in rural areas that still use the paddly, HOWEVE, parents must sign a waiver that they will not press charges.


Kids are worse than they were 10 years ago! For example, last year a 9 year old girl got pregnant and dumped her baby in the trashcan, did you ever hear anything like that when you were 9. At 9 years old, you probably didnt know that hell wasnt always a bad word!

Part of the problem is that children are going through puberty a little earlier every generation. Honestly, go to the nearest middle school and look at some of the kids, some of them appear to be full grown adults with beards, fully developed breasts, and what not. Kids and yes I realize I am a kid, but I am NOT one of those kids, think they are adults. Just because you have an adult body, does not mean you are one...

I disagree, however, with paddling in schools. If I want my child spanked, I will do it. But, I also think it is naive to think that spanked children will fight other children. B/c I have been spanked when I hit my sister, and it makes a little connection like "HEY!! Fighting hurts, so....I wont fight" Spanking is an ancient method, and one of the few that has actually lasted.

Tell me this, when your friend tells you to "Go vacuum" would you do it? So if your parent was always your friend would you honestly feel urgency and did what they said. I certainly wouldnt, spanking gives me alot of respect for my parents because It makes me think They love me so much, they want to SHOW me that I should not do this. My sister had a baby, 1 year ago, and just yesterday I saw her smack the baby's hand, and she said "I know we used to think it was silly, but it really does hurt, it hurts me more" She was crying.

[QBMatt07]

Originally posted by Oooska
When you beat the shit out of a child, all you're doing is breeding fear, hatred, and resentment. They may listen for the time being, but they're going to strike back. Contrary to popular belief, kids can in fact feel remorse for what they have done (and as such, not do it again when they understand why they shouldn't). Of course, instilling the ideas of remorse takes actual parenting skills, which is much harder than simply smacking your child.

Anyone that needs to resort to hitting their kids to get them to behave is pathetic.


No one said anything about beating the shit out of your child. Spanking is MUCH different, firstly spanking does not hurt, BUT, it is the act that makes the child cry. If kids are left to their own they will not develop a conscience, a conscience comes from what is right and wrong, and it is common knowledge that babies cant distinguish between the two. There are not many ways you can effectively punish a baby, but spanking does however work. LEt me reiterate SPANKING DOES NOT HURT, IT IS THE ACT THAT MAKES THE CHILD CRY.

[QBMatt07]

And besides....The Menendez brothers said THEY were never spanked.....

[QBMatt07]

Calisto you are turning this into a competition and challenge, and to everyone else, His beliefs are in NO way a reflection on mine. I would like to get back to debating, rather than arguing and insulting....Thanks:roll:

[QBMatt07]

Proverbs 19:18(AMP): "Discipline your son while there is hope, but do not (indulge your angry resentments by undue chastisements and) set yourself to his ruin."


Last thing, and this verse states my point exactly. You spank your child, but you do so diligently, lovingly, and responsibly, and UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you take out your own frustration on your child. And put yourself in a position where you could be held responsible for his death. Why do you think child abuse has been outlawed while spanking hasnt, they are two COMPLETELY different things. One is out of anger, the other from love, one is out of frustration, the other from understanding....

[QBMatt07]

Originally posted by MiStErJojO10
a child should be treated as much like an adult as possible.

You're a loon. Yup im going to let my two year old have coffee, stay up late, and drive a car. You treat a kid like an adult and sooner or later he/she is going to believe it and thus act like one, You treat a kid like a kid....

[QBMatt07]

last post.....


show me ONE world religion that is against spanking....

[QBMatt07]

I know, I know, that was supposed to be my last post, but I had to say this....



Originally posted by clodhopper5569
In fact, it's often worse because of the fact those issuing the punishment do not out of disicipline but out of anger and do not punish based on any particular scale. 0

Firstly, one of the reasons I am an advocate for spanking is that my parents taught by example as well as spanking. Meaning, that they taught me YOU NEVER SPANK your child when you are angry. Because anger turns into intensity and intensity, pain.

Spanking is a last resort, after you have told your child dont do this or that, and it shouldnt be based on a scale, just as the jail system shouldnt be. If you knew it was wrong, you should NOT have done it in the first place.

[Oooska]

Originally posted by QBMatt07
No one said anything about beating the shit out of your child. Spanking is MUCH different, firstly spanking does not hurt, BUT, it is the act that makes the child cry. If kids are left to their own they will not develop a conscience, a conscience comes from what is right and wrong, and it is common knowledge that babies cant distinguish between the two. There are not many ways you can effectively punish a baby, but spanking does however work. LEt me reiterate SPANKING DOES NOT HURT, IT IS THE ACT THAT MAKES THE CHILD CRY.

Of course spanking hurts. Why do you think it's "effective"? A child isn't going to cry because he/she is being patted on the butt. A child can and does, with proper parenting, learn to distinguish right from wrong without the need of their ass being beaten.

Let me reiterate. When you beat your child, all you're doing is breeding fear, hatred, and resentment in that child. You may stop the problem for the time being, but the only thing you're teaching them is 1.) violence is a solution to problems and 2.) to hate and distrust you.

[Calisto]

Originally posted by QBMatt07
And besides....The Menendez brothers said THEY were never spanked.....

Oh, so all kids that are spanked will turn out to be murderers?:roll:

[Green Flame]

Originally posted by Rabid_Drummer
Oddly enough, according tro a recent study, violent crime rates amongst teebs have dropped by 67% since 1991.

That is good to hear; I was merely responding to Calisto's claim of teenage crime doubling since 1980.


Ooska and the others are right; all you're doing is creating resentment from hitting your kid in ANY way.

[Chris]

Originally posted by Green Flame
I'm always back on time, I don't do drugs, I do shit when they ask me.

Well, i'm glad you shit when they ask you to :)

[Green Flame]

Originally posted by The Republican
Well, i'm glad you shit when they ask you to :)



You know, ironically enough I was waiting for someone to make that smart ass comment. :P

[Chris]

Leave it up to me! :)

[Ace Rockolla]

Originally posted by Jodie
Teen crime has been explained in many ways, the most common is that these people are bored, but i feel it is a lack of respect for authority and for their parents. If their parents don't lay down the rules at a young age then they will never live with them.
I think that if the only way to fix that is to smack a child when they won't listen to their parents makes sense. It's stupid to think that children of three or four will listen to reasoning and not do it again if, just once, they are smacked for swearing or whatever then they won't do it again... when they are old enough to understand to smacking sould lessen then stop. The only problem with this apart from the 'excuse to abuse' is that children that are smacked have been linked with agression and thinking that they are allowed to smack other children for the same things.

How then, do you explain children who despite being stictly punished still act out despite the amount of punishment being laid upon them?

[QBMatt07]

Now, this is not without saying there are just some kids who are bad as hell.....You cant change that because it is a character flaw....

[Calisto]

Originally posted by QBMatt07
Now, this is not without saying there are just some kids who are bad as hell.....You cant change that because it is a character flaw....

That is right. Some kids will be horrible no matter what.

[QBMatt07]

Personality has A LOT to do with the effectiveness of any kind of punishment. That is why you have some people who go to jail once and never go back, and then people who are repeatedly incarcerated....

[jojoko]

Originally posted by QBMatt07
You're a loon. Yup im going to let my two year old have coffee, stay up late, and drive a car. You treat a kid like an adult and sooner or later he/she is going to believe it and thus act like one, You treat a kid like a kid....

well at least i dont argue with myself for 8 posts :roll:
what i was trying to say is that parents should use positive reinforcement and reward a child for good behavior with grown-up responsibilities.

[QBMatt07]

Originally posted by MiStErJojO10
well at least i dont argue with myself for 8 posts :roll:
Ouch....



but sometimes postivity just doesnt work....

[Jodie]

Originally posted by clodhopper5569
How then, do you explain children who despite being stictly punished still act out despite the amount of punishment being laid upon them?
Do you mean the kids how are hit but are bad? There are those kids of course.. but maybe they cannot be controlled by any method?

[LetMeLive]

I do believe in corporeal punishment, even though it would mean my hot, blonde 23 year old teacher could spank me, and smack me with a leather wip all day long.

[Tyrael]

Once again, its the old question of nature vs. nurture.........if kids are automatically rebellious, then obviously nothing short of grevious boddily harm will change that, and even then, it will just be repressed. On the other hand, if people are the sum of their experiences, then is the act of spanking a positive or negative influence on behaviour found unacceptable by parents? Just because something has been around for a long time, it doesn't mean it works...
Personally, i believe phisical pain is not the answer. I see no problem with the "act of spanking" as a phycological device, making sure the child understands what they have done wrong. However the most important factor is the comprehension of the child: that they understand cause and effect, and the reason for punishment.

[Ace Rockolla]

Originally posted by QBMatt07
Now, this is not without saying there are just some kids who are bad as hell.....You cant change that because it is a character flaw....

If you insist spanking be the only way to discipline and if that doesn't work, I'm sure the kids will seem "bad as hell". That doesn't mean it is a "character flaw" that can't be changed.

None the less, I wouldn't go so far as to even agree with your implication, that if a child is raised in a strict home and still act out they just have a "character flaw". Overly-strict parenting is also quite bad in what it can do to children.



Do you mean the kids how are hit but are bad? There are those kids of course.. but maybe they cannot be controlled by any method?

Or perhaps people should stop assuming spanking is the ultimate and strongest from of disicipline: it's most certainly not.

[jojoko]

Originally posted by Tyrael
Personally, i believe phisical pain is not the answer.
oh but it doesn't hurt :roll:

[LetMeLive]

I believe its a good idea. You may not think it, but being hurt really changes you, it makes you grow up.

[Ace Rockolla]

Originally posted by Alexan Hunter
I believe its a good idea. You may not think it, but being hurt really changes you, it makes you grow up.

Yeah...it can also traumatize you...what a great idea...but hey, at least they grow up and the therapists have a gold mine of clients...so it's all good.

[LetMeLive]

The teacher isnt gonna hit you with a crowbar and rape you! Shes gonna spank you. Maybe a slap, maybe something more painful. But you make it sound as if she is gonna break your legs an put you in a dark closet full of leaches. In cuba they allow Corporeal punishment and you dont see kids killing kids at school. Whereas in the U.S its almost a daily thing.

[Tyrael]

OK, thats really interesting...........You say that the pain(or the act of being spanked without pain) makes you grow up......But when was the last time you saw an adult being spanked? And why would you possibly want to make it madatory that kids who "need to be spanked" should grow up through experiencing pain? this is ludicrous. If as you say, experiencing pain makes you grow up (i agree with you on this point)...but it should not be pain forced upon the child. It should be harship of their own devising.They want to hike through the mountains, or train really hard for a sport, or devote a great deal of time to creating something which they will have to make sacrifices for. You can't "Force" a child to grow up though pain or hardship. it has to be though their *own* goals.

[Tyrael]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink...

[QBMatt07]

Originally posted by clodhopper5569
[B]If you insist spanking be the only way to discipline and if that doesn't work, I'm sure the kids will seem "bad as hell". That doesn't mean it is a "character flaw" that can't be changed.

None the less, I wouldn't go so far as to even agree with your implication, that if a child is raised in a strict home and still act out they just have a "character flaw". Overly-strict parenting is also quite bad in what it can do to children.




As i said earlier, spanking for me is a last resort...It comes in this order

1. Warn (if not obeyed go to step 2)
2. Isolation (If not obeyed go to step 3
3. Isolation AND loss of privileges "grounding" (if not obeyed go to step 4)
4. spanking.....

Spanking is a drastic measure and I know that there are parents who spank their kids even though the children have had no warning. That is what I disagree with, but I feel after you have repeatedly warned and punished your child to no avail then spanking should be your last measure.

[QBMatt07]

Spanking DOES NOT cause pain, the reason children cry is because they think or see that their parents are angry. I can honestly say I was never hurt by a spanking, and if I was it was only momentarily.

In regards to Tyrael, you dont see adults getting spanked but there are plenty who need to be. Anyway, after a certain age most children have matured enough that a warning is enough. After you reach a certain age, you gain enough respect that you know, no means NO. I was never spanked past the age of 12 and never needed to be. Because I understood the danger in some things on my own.

When I decide to not do something bad, it is not because my parents might find out and spank me. No, its because of the way I will feel afterward. So, in some way, spanking can help build a conscience :roll:

I will reiterate Spanking is different from beating, spanking does not hurt, spanking is out of love, beating is not.

[Tyrael]

You obviously havn't heard of Dr Tyrael's "Beatin' O' Luv", for only three easy payments of $29.95, i will come to your house and beat you and your children! Proven to build moral fibre, and character!............ hell sometimes i even do it for free.

[QBMatt07]

Originally posted by Tyrael
You obviously havn't heard of Dr Tyrael's "Beatin' O' Luv", for only three easy payments of $29.95, i will come to your house and beat you and your children! Proven to build moral fibre, and character!............ hell sometimes i even do it for free.

Ok....yup that induced a chuckle....or none..... That wasnt really funny, seriously. Nor did it serve any purpose. If you want to make jokes you should go to the countdown forum. :roll:

Like I said, before If I want my kids spanked I WILL DO IT! No idiots, jackasses, pedophiles, canadians, australians, africans, germans, bigots, republicans, teachers, or neighbors will do it for me. Spanking is a duty solely of two parents.

[Tyrael]

hey take a chill pill...obviously you take yourself very seriously, but sometimes you need to laugh too.

i was also commenting on a previous post, which declared pain during dicipline made your children grow up, and it was totally approriate. You'd know that if you read the previous posts.

Hey, insult australians at your own risk buddy......you have been warned. Do it again and you might find a koala in your bed.

[Tyrael]

LOL i know what you mean..hey shaolin, some of the stuff in your diary board is real funny.

[Brit Twit]

Yes, why exactly do you have pictures of your tits in your sig?

Biracial, Mulatto, Half-Breed, Oreo, Skeebo....Whatever, Im a mutt.....
Insulting yourself in your sig, heh, that's a new one...

[QBMatt07]

I have sexay titties....Haha Ill get rid of them....

[QBMatt07]

Originally posted by Brit Twit
Insulting yourself in your sig, heh, that's a new one...

To me...being called a mutt is not an insult, and with me and my other biracial/multiracial friends we would much rather be called mutts, than anything else.....i.e. oreo....

[Brit Twit]

Why not just call yourself half caste or bi-racial?

[Calisto]

Originally posted by Brit Twit
Why not just call yourself half caste or bi-racial?

Or just not call yourself anything.

[QBMatt07]

Originally posted by Brit Twit
Why not just call yourself half caste or bi-racial?

half-caste is assuming that I am half Hindu/ Indian...which Im not. And biracial would be wrong because i'm techincally more than just two races....

[Calisto]

Originally posted by QBMatt07
half-caste is assuming that I am half Hindu/ Indian...which Im not. And biracial would be wrong because i'm techincally more than just two races....

Who gives a crap. You are what you are, just leave it at that. I do not go around saying that I am 90% something, and 10% something else.:roll:

[ShyGuy5000]

Matt, I applod your parents on there skill in spanking you, they did it the correct way!

But, most of the time it dosn't seem to end like tha, normally they just beat there children and thats that.

I was never hit as a child, but my Dad apparently though it would be a good idea(he's a pot-headed womanizing dumbass, so he dosn't count). If your gunna insult your parents, you should be smart enough to do it were they CANT hear you.

My Mom was spanked, and she learned that even tho it was temperary pain, it hurt emotionally too. Little kids don't automatically think "Wow, my parents love me when they spank me like this" They think " My parents hate me!"

I was enver spanked and I'm very well behaved, and good, and so are most of the other people I know who were never spanked.

In short: controlled spanking, and explaining the problem to the child is much better than just hitting them, or you could just opt to not hit them at all.

Punishment like that in school should not be allowed, waiver or not, private school or public

[Ace Rockolla]

Originally posted by Calisto
Who gives a crap. You are what you are, just leave it at that. I do not go around saying that I am 90% something, and 10% something else.:roll:

Well, you have a point there--


from: http://forums.govteen.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=471267#post471267
Then so be it. I am like 5% indian, but you cannot even tell.

from: http://forums.govteen.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=470856#post470856
I am half swedish and half finnish. So I am fully white, thankfully.

Oh wait...you're still enormously full of shit yet again!! WOW!! This must be some sort of record...

(the best part is not only did you do it, but you did it TWICE, and beyond that EVEN CONTRADICTED YOURSELF while doing it both times...God...your bullshit makes my head spin almost!) :D :D

[jojoko]

calisto got owned :gbounce:

[Ace Rockolla]

Yes, but she hasn't the foggiest idea she has been. I read a quote today that says something to the effect that the fools are always so sure and the wise are always so doubtful. How amazingly ironic that is.

[jojoko]

how can the be sure, and doubtful ?