Omg Enterprise!!!

[7 of 11]

I loved the newest episode of enterprise dearly!
Im alking about the one with the borg.
Man if only all the episode were that intriguing. It was awsome!!!

The first 5-10 minutes it totaly felt like an episode of the X-files. This epiosde's intro was proablay one of the scariest statreks ever.

It was a sequal of sorts to "First contact"...and a fitting one at that!

If the rst of the show keeps up the good work like that I'll be sre not to miss a single aring

[Ace Rockolla]

It's a little irritating that they creating a massive plothole with that episode. The Borg aren't introduced to humans until the 24th Century when they encountered the Enterprise-D with Picard and...blah blah blah...the reason I never was huge on Star Trek is because there was so little continuity between episodes at times, like it was all being written on the fly. Very annoying.

Believe it or not, I did watch the last part of this episode, the first time I've watched the show in months...probably longer.

And if you call me a fanboy for pointing out that glaring error, I'll fuck you up with my Spock ears and phaser--set to KILL.

:D

[wysoft]

That was the first thing that came to mind when I saw the commercial for it. If they have encountered the Borg so soon, it renders the entire Next Generation Borg saga incorrect.

I didn't see the episode, unfortunately.

[7 of 11]

That episode changed the time line so the Picarad universe is no longer the same. It's very much like back the toe fututre when MArty McFly returned to a rich family.

[guyincognito]

Next Generation > Enterprise

[007]

The Borg never identified themselves as the Borg in the episode, and it actually cleared some things up about the continuity. (Like what happened to the Borg ship after First Contact, and why the Borg invaded Earth in the TNG series -- because the Borg of Enterprise's century sent out a signal which took 200 years to be transmitted)

[Dimitris Spiropoulos]

Seven of... 11, yesterday arrived the episode Broken Bow from ebay. I order it becuase the Enterprise show is not shown on TV at this time. It was amazing, but, TNG is certainly better. But, I have already become a fan of the Enterprise. Could someone give me a preview of the episode "Regeneration"? Do you when it will be available on VHS to buy it? Thanks.

[black cherry]

Originally posted by 007
The Borg never identified themselves as the Borg in the episode, and it actually cleared some things up about the continuity. (Like what happened to the Borg ship after First Contact, and why the Borg invaded Earth in the TNG series -- because the Borg of Enterprise's century sent out a signal which took 200 years to be transmitted)
NO it didn't, because Q sent the enterprise into the delta quadrant and the borg followed them back from there. It was by coincidence.

[black cherry]

They only reason the brought the borg in was...because the show is so shit they need the cool spieces from the 24th century to boost ratings.

[Dimitris Spiropoulos]

Empireweick, although I am not experienced with the new series as I have only watched only the "Broken Bow", I do not find it completely shit. Of course, TNG and VOY are better.

[7 of 11]

Originally posted by Empirewreck
NO it didn't, because Q sent the enterprise into the delta quadrant and the borg followed them back from there. It was by coincidence.

erhhh.
there were some outposts along the neutral zone that were anhialted by some unknown force. It later turned out the be the borg and this was 2 years befoere the Q incident

[Dimitris Spiropoulos]

7 of 11, you seem to be a big trekkie.

[Deviant++]

I wish I could see the episode. But this is really very bad that they introduce the borg so soon. Very very amatuerish.

[black cherry]

Originally posted by 7 of 11
erhhh.
there were some outposts along the neutral zone that were anhialted by some unknown force. It later turned out the be the borg and this was 2 years befoere the Q incident
Hmm i don't remember...I watched about 2 or 3 years ago. So you're probably correct...still i think it reflects the bad choice they making it in the past. I'm sure there are a lot of TOS who aren't too happy.

[Ace Rockolla]

Originally posted by 7 of 11
erhhh.
there were some outposts along the neutral zone that were anhialted by some unknown force. It later turned out the be the borg and this was 2 years befoere the Q incident

If anything, that only exposes MORE plot holes in the series. That's what happens you have dozens of writers without a single vision, you get all sorts of inconsistencies in the same "universe". Hell, the very idea of going to the Klingon homeworld in the first episode in only three days is absurd. At the speed they were talking about, that would make Kronos closer than Alpha Centauri. They really need to work on holes like that. They are REALLY annoying and is why this new series really blows. No one had the thought to plan it out and make it make more sense.

[7 of 11]

Originally posted by clodhopper5569
If anything, that only exposes MORE plot holes in the series. That's what happens you have dozens of writers without a single vision, you get all sorts of inconsistencies in the same "universe". Hell, the very idea of going to the Klingon homeworld in the first episode in only three days is absurd. At the speed they were talking about, that would make Kronos closer than Alpha Centauri. They really need to work on holes like that. They are REALLY annoying and is why this new series really blows. No one had the thought to plan it out and make it make more sense.

they found a short cut :D

[007]

NO it didn't, because Q sent the enterprise into the delta quadrant and the borg followed them back from there. It was by coincidence.No, if you watch that episode, you will see that the Borg Cube in question was already on it's way to Earth. Q was simply showing Picard what was on the way.

[7 of 11]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 007
No, if you watch that episode, you will see that the Borg Cube in question was already on it's way to Earth. Q was simply showing Picard what was on the way. [/QUOTE


Must have been an expiditionary mission; one cube could not take out the Federation fleet

[Dimitris Spiropoulos]

Yes, I agree to that, 7 of 11. But, Leo is also right. As Guinan said, the ship was already going to meet the Enterprise, ( fate, as we say ) Q just altered fate!!!??

[7 of 11]

Although at least one Borg vessel is known to have passed through Federation space in 2364 and destroyed a number of outposts, the first known contact with this species occurred in 2365 when the Enterprise-D was catapulted into the J-25 system by Q. Although Q ultimately prevented the Borg from destroying the Enterprise, they apparently decided to attack the Federation after this encounter. A Borg ship arrived in 2366 and proceeded on course toward Earth.
The Federation responded by mobilising every Starship which could reach the battle zone in time, and a fleet of forty starships under Admiral Hanson met the Borg at the Wolf 359 system. The result was a total catastrophy; thirty nine of the forty ships where destroyed with the loss of some eleven thousand personnel and the Borg cube proceeded undamaged.

Initially much blame for this defeat was placed on Admiral Hanson, but over time it has become clear that there was little he could have done. The Borg had succeeded in capturing and assimilating Captain Picard prior to the battle, and had thus gained knowledge of Starfleets capabilities and combat tactics. In any case, the Borg cube untimately proved simply too powerful for the forces arrayed against it.

Although subsequent battles have been fought on a far grander scale with far larger forces, Wolf 359 came at a time when the Federation had not fought a major fleet action for decades. Large scale war was widely considered to be a thing of the past, and losses on this scale had not occurred in living memory. The psychological impact of the tragedy, followed by the imminent prospect of loosing Earth itself to the invaders, was at least as great as any since.

Following Wolf 359 Starfleet began a major effort to boost starship production and stepped up its recruiting efforts. In addition the Advanced Tactical Training school was established in order to create a core of highly skilled helm and tactical officers, and Starfleet began to recall many of its ships from deep space long duration exploratory missions to reinforce its borders at home. These measures have proven their worth in every subsequent conflict.

[Deviant++]

Wolf 359's incident was potrayed very badly and out of sync with every later borg contact.
For example.
Why the hell does the borg cube use warp instead of transwarp. Why did a lone scout borg ship use transwarp and not the cube.

The cube could just have well landed at Earth's doorstep.

Why did the queen send just 1 vessel to assimilate earth a second time and take a fleet to assimilate a tiny civilization to show seven.

[007]

Must have been an expiditionary mission; one cube could not take out the Federation fleetLook at the battle of Wolf 359...


Why did a lone scout borg ship use transwarp and not the cube.Perhaps they only recently assimilated transwarp.

[black cherry]

Its best not to look into a tv show to much, after all it is just a show.

[ourmodernred]

You know what always PISSED ME OFF?

The federation never made a fucking cloaking device! They could have stolen a Klingon or Romulan vessel and copied the technology and improved it.....but nooooooooooooo....

[black cherry]

isn't there some dumbass treaty saying they can't develop the technology

[ourmodernred]

The federation were to clean cut. They needed to get their hands dirty! Fuck those treaties! Bah!

[black cherry]

yeah start going on the offensive... :-D

[ourmodernred]

I never understood them. They were pussies and backed out of everything, and I think that's why they ultimately were the other races' bitches. They get smacked around and passed around like a porno mag. Improve a cloaking device, Join the klingons and destroy the Romulans.

[007]

They invented a cloaking device which could go through regular matter, but it was never implemented due to the treaty they had with the Romulans. Although I am sure it was used in DS9 several times during the war with the Dominion.

[Dimitris Spiropoulos]

Star Trek The Next Generation Season 7: The Pegasus

[7 of 11]

Transwarp is actually a focused corridor of sub space. Much like a river running through sub space, anything that falls in the river gets caught in its current and off it goes. Now creating these corridors takes a traspwarp drive and once the corridor is made it stays active naturally for a few weeks before dissolving. Laying down a corridor takes time so a ship can only travel at about warp 9.9995 9.9999 or about 200,000 times faster than light. However, once the corridor is finally laid a ship can travel much faster through the corridor--perhaps as much as warp 9.9999999* or about 2 million times faster than light.

The federation has yet to discover how to maintain a transwarp corridor while under construction. The problem lies in building "walls" or "banks" of the "river" so the corridor does not collapse on itself.


*note: nothing can ever reach warp 10.0

[Adrian-UK]

Tom Paris reached warp 10 in his shuttle craft. He mutated tho and had kids with the captain :)

[7 of 11]

Yes he did reach warp and looked what happen. :)

[UK-2010]

So when does Enterprise Season 03 air in America?

I doubt we'll be seeing it until around February (2004) on SkyOne in the UK ...

[007]

Tomorrow.

[Dimitris Spiropoulos]

And when will we able to watch here, in Greece? :( :mad:

[Deviant++]

NEVER :evil:

hehe hahahhahhaha

[Dimitris Spiropoulos]

You know, Voyager is not shown yet here. Only The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine. And the funny thing is, I am bored of ordering cassetes from Ebay. By hthe way, did you know that Avery Brooks ( Sisko ) is here, in Greece?

[Deviant++]

KEWL.. :P

I've seen everything except DS9..
I can get it if I want.. :P

[007]

Saw the first episode of season 3 today, it was good.

[UK-2010]

Originally posted by Empirewreck
isn't there some dumbass treaty saying they can't develop the technology

The Starfleet Holoship in Insurrection had cloaking technology.

[Deviant++]

but it was against the law so thats y they had to DO something about it in the movie.. :)

[UK-2010]

Originally posted by 007
Saw the first episode of season 3 today, it was good.

I haven't seen it yet, although I finally have it downloaded :D
At 80mb I'm sure not doing that every week on a 56k connection...

[Deviant++]

hehehe...
aww poor you.. :)

[UK-2010]

Originally posted by Deviant
but it was against the law so thats y they had to DO something about it in the movie.. :)

In the DS9 section 31 book "Avatar", it's suggested that Section 31 were behind the plans to relocate the Baku and that the holoship was custom built by them and illegally fitted with a cloaking device. Either they built it themselves or obtained the technology from elsewhere.

But then, that depends if the novels are even considered part of the official Trek continuity ...